Tearful wobblies!
Posted by
Leanne
on 30th August 2010
at 17:33
Hi Hayles,
Alistair cries very easily, for a long time he used it to get his own way especially with his dad (his dad hates to see him cry) - he would sit there and make himself cry and when it didn't work with me he would touch his tears and show me and when it still didn't work he would go and look in the mirror - almost as though he was just checking and trying to work why it wasn't having the desired effect.
We figured out quickly which ones were real and which weren't, so for a while now when he is putting it on we correct him usually telling him to stop and then ignoring him. People who do not know him so well think I am incredibly mean because he really does know how to cry effectively :)
We do not give him attention for doing it.
Leanne - Community Champion
Posted by
Josie Barnshaw
on 30th August 2010
at 21:59
Hi Hayles
Could this have anything to do with his little trip to pick your flowers? Did it happen before or after that?
Josie - Community Champion
Posted by
Hayles
on 30th August 2010
at 22:30
Hi Josie,
His tearful wobbly occured just before 4ish, before his trip to pick flowers
Hayles x
Posted by
Josie Barnshaw
on 1st September 2010
at 13:16
Hi Hayles
Sorry I didnt back to you sooner ... caught up with painting and decluttering!!
Maybe his flower picking was his apology for the tears :) I have never encountered the unexplained tears, but both my son and my ex-husband would exhibit what appeared to be irrational anger with no precurser to it that could be seen, but it would turn out that the reason for the anger was something that happened hours or even days before that was going round and round in their heads and of course the person they end up being angry with had no knowlege of the root of the anger. Hope you can understand what I am saying, it's a little confusing!!! My son still does it to this day and he is 15 and it usually involves something that's happened at school and he never volunteers the cause of his rage it's a question of coaxing information out of him in a covert manner. Asking him outright just enrages him further because in his mind we should know why he is angry because he knows!!!!
I think the bottom line of what I am trying to say is that perhaps your son was thinking of something sad that could have happened a while ago or been seen on a TV show a while ago and because it is in his thoughts it has provoked these feelings of sadness in him. I am also aware that my son is not always aware of the connection between his thoughts and his bodies emotional responses and he is sometimes puzzled by them and cant explain why he feels certain ways .... although this has certainly improved with age.
Josie - Community Champion
Posted by
demipowell
on 3rd September 2010
at 20:52
Hey Hayles
It sounds like you are really trying to get to grips with that wee man at the moment! He is lucky to have sucha dedicated mummy!
Matthew is prone to the tears. I did laugh Leanne at your description because Matthew does that too "mummy i'm crying" "look mummy i'm crying". (Usually when he is in trouble). But he is also quite teary in general and sobs and sobs. I find the quiet holding is the best way. Matt often tires himself out and falls asleep. When he was little he could do this for up to six hours! Although usually its half an hour tops now. I guess it makes sense that if they can get random anger they can also get random sadness. Matt sometimes says he is crying cos Ziggy died (our dog that died three years ago when matt was a tiny tot).
Theoretically the important thing is that he cannot contain his own feelings and therefore you must do that for him. So remaining nice and confident and calming is the important thing. The idea would be not to show that you are also overwhelmed by his feelings, as this would increase anxiety. The idea is to model that these sorts of feelings can be dealt with naturally and you are a safe person to do that for him. The theory being that as he gets older he will model your behaviour and start to learn to deal with these feelings himself. (See i did learn something in allthose years of SW training)
And as Josie says, best not to question at the time or be too direct about it, because they will assume that you know and it might blow your pretence of being in control if you fess up and say you dont know whats up.
Demi
Posted by
Hayles
on 6th September 2010
at 16:25
The one thing my son things of ALL the time is his Gramp. My Dad. The relationship they had was out of this world & my Dad was diagnosed with Terminal Cancer Christmas Eve 2008, March 11th 2009 he passed away. My Dad's life revolved round his children & grandchildren. I was a Daddy's girl, there was nothing I could ever say to my Dad that would shock him. We talked about everything & I mean everything. Mark worshipped his Gramp, when Grampy was around NO one else EVER got a look in. He was my Dad's shadow.
People said I was wrong letting him see my Dad after he was diagnosed & the drastic changes that occured. But it was his Gramp & how do you hide something so big from a child. To be honest I refused to. Mark struggles with this daily & questions WHY his Grampy died. This has got so out of hand that he had actually said to his Grandad ( Hubs Dad) Why didn't you die? You only hit me & break my nose ( thats a whole nother story) But if you talk to Mark about his Grandad he has NO Happy memories, just being hit twice & having his nose broke in his care. He tells people that his grampy was so ill, he went all skinny & white & cried lots, but he always gave Mark a cuddle.
Mark really does struggle with it & I think that going back he had been watching video of him with his Grampy. This is something for Mark that I think we will NEVER be able to make him understand or cope with.
His Grandad, well D & I have decided, Mark speaks the truth. Their is nothing we can do about it. More importantly & the reason we have given up is because, D's Dad is NOT interested in trying to make it better. Even though Mark has said to him what he has. Instead he says a slap & we should sort it.
Hayles x
Posted by
bumblebee
on 8th September 2010
at 16:19
HI Hayles,
Its so sad to hear your son is getting upset like this....Reading this thread, it really reminds me of my 12 year old daughter. She bursts into tears like this too (moreso when she hasnt taken her ADHD medication though).
The similarity that surprised me was about your son and how he questions about his Gramps. I am not saying that this is on anywhere near the same scale as loosing a loved one, but when my daughter lost her dog who she absolutely adored, she did something similar. It was about 2 years ago now and when she gets upset, she often says its because she misses her dog....I have often thought of it as one of her differences and she does struggle to recognise, name and talk about hers and others emotions so I wondered as this is the most upsetting event that has happened to her, if she feels a little down, this comes straight into her mind (like emotion linked to memory) and the original feeling is intensified...ie she bursts into tears recalling the emotion she felt at the time she lost her dog....does that make sense? There are times I know that there are events coming up, or things that have just happened that really do upset her, but when I ask what is wrong, she will say I am sad about my dog going....
What do you think? You mentioned talking to Mark wbout why Gramps died...I'd answer his questions as honestly as you feel he can cope with as its more than likely he will keep asking until he is satisfied he understands. It may help to make a picture book about Gramps, so you can tell him really positive stories about thier times together....you mentioned he hasnt got much memory of him, so this way, you could give him some lovely memories and it may help with his feeling of sadness.
I hope this helps a little.....take care :0)
Claire - Community Champion
Posted by
asteroids
on 8th September 2010
at 16:40
Hi Hayles,
Is it worth investigating some bereavement counselling? Perhaps your GP could suggest someone. We have an excellent scheme here in Devon/Cornwall called Jeremiah's Journey, which specialises in working with children who have lost loved ones. There may be something similar in your area.
Asteroids Sara - Community Champion
Posted by
Hayles
on 8th September 2010
at 18:45
Mark has a Picture book, a wall in his room has pictures of his Grampy & uncle Locky (passed away at 5 yrs old) He can watch films via the Tv of him & his Grampy & look at pictures. We told Mark Grampy had Cancer & its a nasty disease that makes you very poorly. Because I refused to hide Mark from the fact that my Dad was Dieing, he watched his Grampy go from a cuddle man, to a skinny thin man, very pale & old. He saw his Grampy cry & held his Grampy's hand & let him cuddle him. Other's said this was wrong & I should have kept Mark away from the situation, however I think it would have been harder for Mark to do it this way. Mark sent a balloon up into the sky at his Funeral & on his Grampy's Birthday & anniversary of his Death. He has asked us to light a Candle which stays lite the whole day. We visit my brother's grave, where my Dad's ashes were put. Mark takes carnations & places them in pot & also says a pray.
Mark has lots of memories with his Grampy, it amazes me of the memories he does remember. Its his Grandad ( Daren's Dad) that needs to sort out memories, as Mark's only memories of his Grandad is being hit by his Grandad & his nose being broken in his care. This causes major issues, as Mark questions why his Lovely grampy died, why didnt his Grandad die ( Daren's Dad) because he has only ever hurt him.
We did talk to the doctors & someone. They felt we were doing everything we could to help Mark, not refusing to discuss it with him & letting him talk/watch things with his Grampy. They also felt us NOT hiding Mark from what was happening with my Dad was good. The real problem we have is he doesn't understand how is Grampy was so wonderful & his Grandad can't even play with him. Like I said his memories are of him hitting him twice because Mark wouldnt do as his Grandad asked ( what he was asking was Ridiculous) then he had Mark in his care & Mark broke his nose. We spoke to someone about this & Daren & I both agreed that to try & talk to his Dad would be impossible. His Dad ain't interested in playing with his Grandchildren, hes at his happiest with a camera taking pics of buildings, staircases & flowers or on his computer. So instead we leave it alone, knowing that Mark will & has made comments of, ' Why did my Grampy die, he loved me & played with me, you don't love me you just hit me & break my nose. You should have died' He has also said, 'My grampy was dieing & very weak & sick, but he always gave me a cuddle'
Children amaze me with some of the things they say.
Hayles x
Posted by
bumblebee
on 8th September 2010
at 20:29
Hi Hayles,
I am sorry, I think I was confused when I responded to your post and I can see Marks point about why it had to be his Grampy that died...I can see how that would seem very unfair to him.
It does sound like you are doing all you can and then some!! I wonder if Mark is a bit confused about his relationship with his other Grandad and this is impacting his emotions about his Grampy?
I agree with Sara that it may be helpful to ask for some help...if it isnt berevement support, maybe you could ask for a referral to CAMHS? Or maybe ask to speak to someone at CAMHS or the Paediatrician and see if they have any ideas about how to help Mark with his emotions?
Claire - Community Champion



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Posted by
Hayles
on 30th August 2010
at 16:35
Hi,
I keep meaning to post about this & forgetting. Does anyone else's child have the tearful wobblies?
Mark is 6 & had one about 10 mins ago. It lasted for just over half hour. He didn't hurt himself he was just sat on sofa & I was doing some sewing in dining room. When I heard him crying, I can see him from the dining room & he just broke into floods of uncontrobale tears & just wants to be cuddled. Its the cry that gets me everytime & I have to take deep breathes to not end up in tears either. He can't talk he just sobs into me, he can't give me an explanation. I just have to hold him & don't move. Daddy was home working in office & came downstairs to see what all the commotion was, he has never seen Mark like this before. He is now curled up with Daddy watching tv & still can't give any real explanation apart from he felt sad. This is the normal explanation when these occur to.
Hayles x